kaayru
03/01/2007, 19h08
Voila une discussion avec Teppy à résumer et à traduire :)
Pharaoh: Welcome all.
Pharaoh: Ok, there are two times that your Opticon score (or any other PeerReview-based score, for that matter) gets updated:
Pharaoh: First, during Weekly Passes.
Pharaoh: Second, on those times when you are the person randomly "rotated out" of judging a particular piece - meaning that the piece has 21+ other judges.
M:Potamo: Why would it not have updated after last weeks passes then?
Pharaoh: Could be that you had already been rotated out on those that you had judged - IOW, rotated out before this new system went into place.
Pharaoh: Or perhaps the update when rotated out part is not working.
F:Sadeh: why don't I even have a line mentioning opticons on the check the last weeks score on critic?
Pharaoh: If your score is 0, then it doesn't show that line.
Pharaoh: Ok, first off - has anyone seen their (opticon or mosaic) score increase at all, during the week?
M:Nebakhom: mosaic and beetle has, still no opticon line
Pharaoh: BTW, Beetle and Pyro are not Peer-Review scored Tests, so those follow different scoring rules. (I should supress those lines too, for consistancy sake, when they're 0)
M:Ur-man: yes - mosaic went from 191 to 196 in last 24 hours
M:Oniyuki: I have seen my mosaic score increase during the week.
M:Potamo: Mosiac yes...Cant say about opticon cause its not there
M:Orashin: If increase means showing up now, then yes, it has increased.
Pharaoh: Opticon, or Mosaic?
M:Orashin: Sorry, that'd be opticons.
Pharaoh: Ok, so here go passes on Test of the Critic...
Pharaoh: This should make Opticon Scores show up for any where you have not been rotated out.
M:Ur-man: would an increase in mosaic happen if we picked up peer judges on a piece that prevously had less than 21?
Pharaoh: Yes
F:Nchanter: Did NOT fix it
F:Asheara: mine didn't change
Pharaoh: Ok, I'll redo Critic passes once I figure out what's up with Opticon.
Pharaoh: Did anyone's Mosaic score increase?
M:Potamo: not mine
M:preladon: Not mine
F:Asheara: not mine
M:preladon: But I'm not sure I've judged a mosaic this week...
F:Ingrid: no mine did not
M:Ur-man: no increase here
M:Nebakhom: nope
F:tat2mikki: mine didn't
Pharaoh: Ok, I believe that it was *only* updating when you got rotated out. That's consistant with everything I've seen actually.
Pharaoh: Ok, see if scores have increased now.
M:Potamo: Yes!
F:Dreasimy: did for me
M:Nebakhom: got points now
F:Asheara: yup
M:Ur-man: yes
M:preladon: Yes, and I have an opticon score now
Pharaoh: Awesome.
Pharaoh: Now, let me see who really should have passed Critic.
F:Ingrid: I still haven't gotten the lvl fot critic principles yet
Pharaoh: Yeah, I'll look into that next.
Pharaoh: Ok, same drill for Reason - tell me if everything increases properly.
M:Tahrqa: yup still no opticon score
Pharaoh: If you still have a score of 0, and believe that you did judge some Opticon, I'll need the coords of that opticon so that I can take a look and see if it has a record of you scoring it.
M:Ringwood: I still have a score of 0 and judged all of the opticons at or around 774 -3645.
Pharaoh: Checking those now.
Pharaoh: Ok, I don't see you as a judge on any of those - here's the likely reason:
Pharaoh: I believe that after you judged those (soon after, in fact), the designer(s) closed them for judging, probably tweeked them a bit, and then reopened them.
F:Asheara: my opticon score didn't change and i've voted most of the opticons open in game
Pharaoh: Was it already high? (Might be that you've already been credited with all the peers you had, already.
F:Asheara: my score is only 21 btw
M:Oniyuki: This is for critic right? There should be no opticon scores for reason...?
Pharaoh: Could some others list their Critic scores for Opticon?
M:Nebakhom: 74
M:Potamo: 59
F:Ingrid: 58
M:Potamo: 69*
Pharaoh: Asheara - how many opticons do you think you've judged?
M:Orashin: 64
F:Amdara: 28
M:Bahruphet: 42
F:tat2mikki: 19 and have judged at least 8
Pharaoh: (34 Opticons in game, though not all are necessarily open for judging.)
M:Rauul: 20 (only 5 judged)
M:Promiscuous: 26 and judged 5
M:Lazybum: judged 4/5 and score of 45
F:Jasmina: score 81 / 7 jugded
F:Asheara: i judged all the 7 lakes ones, 4 in kush, and the ones in either upper or lower egypt
Pharaoh: Ok, what I think I'll do is manually look at who your Peers are. Could be some sort of bug, or could just be that the same group of peers are judging those.
M:SanderDolphin: Critic Score: not even listed. Number Judged, 1
Pharaoh: Do you know the location (coords)? If you judged just 1, that's easy to manually inspect.
M:SanderDolphin: It was in Seven Lakes, south of the CS (right of the road going southwards)
Pharaoh: I'll need coordinates - anyone have coords for that one?
M:SanderDolphin: It was one marked "Eat at Joes"
M:Ping: 1380, 1758
Pharaoh: Well, I'm not seeing SanderDolphin as a current judge there.
Pharaoh: So, probably rotated out, since that Opticon has had a ton of judges.
Pharaoh: Since that may have happened a while ago, my best guess is that you were rotated out prior to the new Critic/Reason scoring system.
M:Rauul: So even if we vote on a object we can get 0 points... for critic?
Pharaoh: Since the new system is in place, no, that should be impossible. You would always get at least one point (peering with yourself.)
M:Tahrqa: Which was implemented when? I mean I judged that shortly before last weeks passes
Pharaoh: Trying to figure that out.
F:JemGirl: opticon was opened after the change Pharaoh
Pharaoh: I don't know of a way to determine if SanderDolphin's vote was rotated out prior to or after the change.
M:Tahrqa: well if the opticon wasn't opened until after the change....
M:Ping: The opticon was opened very very early, and might have been one of the first ones open.
Pharaoh: Yes, but we've seen examples of the rotated-out scoreing working, and the weekly scoring, as of 30 minutes ago, working.
Pharaoh: So I believe that things are currently working. It's always possible that there's still a bug, and I'll have to watch for such.
F:Asheara: to me it doesn't explain an opticon score of 21 for judging 12 + opticons when people have scores of up to 4 times that for about half the judging, and i'm judging opticons in high traffic areas
Pharaoh: Scores are based on the number of peers, not the number of opticons that you judge.
Pharaoh: We saw examples of two people earlier that had each judged 4-5 opticons, with scores of 20 and 75 (IIRC)
M:SanderDolphin: To help work out if it was before/after change, I did the Opticon Vote about 30 real life minutes before Year 2, Peret III-4, 4:24AM
Pharaoh: Yeah, I'm just going to have to determine if there still currently exists some bug.
Pharaoh: (Because I can't think of any other way to reconstruct stuff from 1+ week ago.)
Pharaoh: Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll continue with the rest of today's passes now.
Pharaoh: Pharaoh out.
Pharaoh: Welcome all.
Pharaoh: Ok, there are two times that your Opticon score (or any other PeerReview-based score, for that matter) gets updated:
Pharaoh: First, during Weekly Passes.
Pharaoh: Second, on those times when you are the person randomly "rotated out" of judging a particular piece - meaning that the piece has 21+ other judges.
M:Potamo: Why would it not have updated after last weeks passes then?
Pharaoh: Could be that you had already been rotated out on those that you had judged - IOW, rotated out before this new system went into place.
Pharaoh: Or perhaps the update when rotated out part is not working.
F:Sadeh: why don't I even have a line mentioning opticons on the check the last weeks score on critic?
Pharaoh: If your score is 0, then it doesn't show that line.
Pharaoh: Ok, first off - has anyone seen their (opticon or mosaic) score increase at all, during the week?
M:Nebakhom: mosaic and beetle has, still no opticon line
Pharaoh: BTW, Beetle and Pyro are not Peer-Review scored Tests, so those follow different scoring rules. (I should supress those lines too, for consistancy sake, when they're 0)
M:Ur-man: yes - mosaic went from 191 to 196 in last 24 hours
M:Oniyuki: I have seen my mosaic score increase during the week.
M:Potamo: Mosiac yes...Cant say about opticon cause its not there
M:Orashin: If increase means showing up now, then yes, it has increased.
Pharaoh: Opticon, or Mosaic?
M:Orashin: Sorry, that'd be opticons.
Pharaoh: Ok, so here go passes on Test of the Critic...
Pharaoh: This should make Opticon Scores show up for any where you have not been rotated out.
M:Ur-man: would an increase in mosaic happen if we picked up peer judges on a piece that prevously had less than 21?
Pharaoh: Yes
F:Nchanter: Did NOT fix it
F:Asheara: mine didn't change
Pharaoh: Ok, I'll redo Critic passes once I figure out what's up with Opticon.
Pharaoh: Did anyone's Mosaic score increase?
M:Potamo: not mine
M:preladon: Not mine
F:Asheara: not mine
M:preladon: But I'm not sure I've judged a mosaic this week...
F:Ingrid: no mine did not
M:Ur-man: no increase here
M:Nebakhom: nope
F:tat2mikki: mine didn't
Pharaoh: Ok, I believe that it was *only* updating when you got rotated out. That's consistant with everything I've seen actually.
Pharaoh: Ok, see if scores have increased now.
M:Potamo: Yes!
F:Dreasimy: did for me
M:Nebakhom: got points now
F:Asheara: yup
M:Ur-man: yes
M:preladon: Yes, and I have an opticon score now
Pharaoh: Awesome.
Pharaoh: Now, let me see who really should have passed Critic.
F:Ingrid: I still haven't gotten the lvl fot critic principles yet
Pharaoh: Yeah, I'll look into that next.
Pharaoh: Ok, same drill for Reason - tell me if everything increases properly.
M:Tahrqa: yup still no opticon score
Pharaoh: If you still have a score of 0, and believe that you did judge some Opticon, I'll need the coords of that opticon so that I can take a look and see if it has a record of you scoring it.
M:Ringwood: I still have a score of 0 and judged all of the opticons at or around 774 -3645.
Pharaoh: Checking those now.
Pharaoh: Ok, I don't see you as a judge on any of those - here's the likely reason:
Pharaoh: I believe that after you judged those (soon after, in fact), the designer(s) closed them for judging, probably tweeked them a bit, and then reopened them.
F:Asheara: my opticon score didn't change and i've voted most of the opticons open in game
Pharaoh: Was it already high? (Might be that you've already been credited with all the peers you had, already.
F:Asheara: my score is only 21 btw
M:Oniyuki: This is for critic right? There should be no opticon scores for reason...?
Pharaoh: Could some others list their Critic scores for Opticon?
M:Nebakhom: 74
M:Potamo: 59
F:Ingrid: 58
M:Potamo: 69*
Pharaoh: Asheara - how many opticons do you think you've judged?
M:Orashin: 64
F:Amdara: 28
M:Bahruphet: 42
F:tat2mikki: 19 and have judged at least 8
Pharaoh: (34 Opticons in game, though not all are necessarily open for judging.)
M:Rauul: 20 (only 5 judged)
M:Promiscuous: 26 and judged 5
M:Lazybum: judged 4/5 and score of 45
F:Jasmina: score 81 / 7 jugded
F:Asheara: i judged all the 7 lakes ones, 4 in kush, and the ones in either upper or lower egypt
Pharaoh: Ok, what I think I'll do is manually look at who your Peers are. Could be some sort of bug, or could just be that the same group of peers are judging those.
M:SanderDolphin: Critic Score: not even listed. Number Judged, 1
Pharaoh: Do you know the location (coords)? If you judged just 1, that's easy to manually inspect.
M:SanderDolphin: It was in Seven Lakes, south of the CS (right of the road going southwards)
Pharaoh: I'll need coordinates - anyone have coords for that one?
M:SanderDolphin: It was one marked "Eat at Joes"
M:Ping: 1380, 1758
Pharaoh: Well, I'm not seeing SanderDolphin as a current judge there.
Pharaoh: So, probably rotated out, since that Opticon has had a ton of judges.
Pharaoh: Since that may have happened a while ago, my best guess is that you were rotated out prior to the new Critic/Reason scoring system.
M:Rauul: So even if we vote on a object we can get 0 points... for critic?
Pharaoh: Since the new system is in place, no, that should be impossible. You would always get at least one point (peering with yourself.)
M:Tahrqa: Which was implemented when? I mean I judged that shortly before last weeks passes
Pharaoh: Trying to figure that out.
F:JemGirl: opticon was opened after the change Pharaoh
Pharaoh: I don't know of a way to determine if SanderDolphin's vote was rotated out prior to or after the change.
M:Tahrqa: well if the opticon wasn't opened until after the change....
M:Ping: The opticon was opened very very early, and might have been one of the first ones open.
Pharaoh: Yes, but we've seen examples of the rotated-out scoreing working, and the weekly scoring, as of 30 minutes ago, working.
Pharaoh: So I believe that things are currently working. It's always possible that there's still a bug, and I'll have to watch for such.
F:Asheara: to me it doesn't explain an opticon score of 21 for judging 12 + opticons when people have scores of up to 4 times that for about half the judging, and i'm judging opticons in high traffic areas
Pharaoh: Scores are based on the number of peers, not the number of opticons that you judge.
Pharaoh: We saw examples of two people earlier that had each judged 4-5 opticons, with scores of 20 and 75 (IIRC)
M:SanderDolphin: To help work out if it was before/after change, I did the Opticon Vote about 30 real life minutes before Year 2, Peret III-4, 4:24AM
Pharaoh: Yeah, I'm just going to have to determine if there still currently exists some bug.
Pharaoh: (Because I can't think of any other way to reconstruct stuff from 1+ week ago.)
Pharaoh: Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll continue with the rest of today's passes now.
Pharaoh: Pharaoh out.